Unless we stop demonizing each other and go back to "common interest" over "special interests" politics, America will remain ungovernable whichever political party is in control. Of course, there is always a "lesser evil" and the Democratic Party has not been hi-jacked by its radical left or become a personality cult rather than a functional political Party and the demise of traditional American values will come more quickly under a Trump Administration than it would under a Biden Administration. Nevertheless, win or lose, perhaps Biden's greatest contribution to America is to continue to visibly stand as an example of the virtues that made us more humane, if though not quite perfect. As my mother used to say, "It's not whether you win or lose; but how you play the game that matters."
The media wants the chaos. They're junkies hooked on MAGA supply. No way they will let any Dem have a fair shot. That's the takeaway here.
Kamala turned her brilliance against Kavanagh in Senate hearings, turned him to jelly. Media did not care. They gave him a pass.
Joe is old. It's a serious matter - But the media is utterly compromised - They are way over the line, putting their thumb on the scale - for their own agenda. And no new Dem is going to make that disappear.
They'll find Kamala's emails - or just make them up. They won't let her make her case - and that's the truth.
You seem to be saying that you believe that all or most media outlets in America today have a right-wing bias? But . . . I mean, clearly that's not the case. So I guess I just don't understand your reasoning here. Media creates the stress it then feeds on, yes. But . . . well, again, just not sure on what basis you're claiming that all media is heavily biased toward the right. That's just . . . manifestly not the case. So . . . ?
They are biased in favor of chaos and clicks. That doesn't require them to be propaganda outlets for the right. It means they frame stories that normalize the extreme - even the violent - without scrutiny and they apply wildly different standards to the parties. They claim 'balance' and maybe even think they're offering it, but is that true?
The Republican Party has not renounced violence, it has a convicted criminal at its head and it has not promised to abide by election results. The nominee is promising to break law and Constitution - The media needs to register the stakes of this extremism - not create horse race or give Dems false idea that our problem is having an old man as our nominee. There's an assault on our rights and freedoms more basic than the media is registering.
Putting Kamala in will not solve this. Have they been fair to her to this point? She destroyed Kavanaugh - and he's now on the Court ruling for the corrupt oligarchy that put him there.
Right on your last point. But you KNOW that she destroyed Kavanaugh. And why do you know that? Because you saw it on TV. It's not media's job to tell you what to think--as strenuously as any given media outlet might strive to do just that. You're aware that the Republican Party hasn't renounced violence, that Trump is a nightmare, etc. And, again, why do you know that? Because you learned it through the media. It just doesn't track rationally to complain about how biased media is by citing all the things that you only know BECAUSE of media. Your responsibility is to be a critical thinker when you're absorbing media: what's true, what's not, who's being biased, in what direction, toward what end, etc. That's on you (and me, and all of us). Do you see what I'm saying? When you say, "There's an assault on our rights and freedoms more basic than the media is registering," ask yourself where you got the evidence that's true. Answer: MEDIA. So they ARE telling you about that assault. (And if you think "the media" isn't sounding enough alarms about that, then it's very safe to say that you don't watch or listen to MSNBC. That's all they EVER talk about.)
Trump went to Capitol Hill the other day and gave a nonsensical address - far worse than anything Joe Biden has ever done - a lunatic in action. Media was there. They saw it. Mild criticism at best.
We all see it. The assumption in media today is that DEMS have to replace an unfit nominee. Republicans are good to go.
Because the DEM candidate is so weak that he's going to LOSE to the Republican candidate. That's why so many dems want a new candidate, and Repubs are good to go. It's got nothing to do with the media. Except that--thank God--the media, via broadcasting the debate--SHOWED Dems that they need a new candidate.
And Trump gets a pass for his performance in that debate? It has a LOT to do with the media.
Kamala Harris could have been on that stage firing heat - just like HRC did in 2016, just like she did to Kavanaugh - and media would have given Trump a pass. Casual voters tune in and media doesn't mention that he's lying to them every time he opens his mouth.
SOME media would have given Trump a pass. Some wouldn't. Some media is pro-Trump. Some aren't. Some try to be objective. Some try to pretend they're objective, but aren't. It's endless. Everybody broadcasting comes with a bias; it's your job to see that bias, and not let it sway you. It's not complicated. People who watch Fox have an entirely different view of the world than do people who watch MSNBC. We all know that. It's just part of life today. If you want to hear that Trump is lying to you every time he opens his mouth, go listen to ANY show on MSNBC, the most watched cable news channel in the country. If you want to think Trump is the second coming, watch FOX, the second most watched channel. But don't watch one and complain it's not the other. K? K. Thanks again.
I’m still of two minds now. Face it, there is still no easy answer except to just bear down and vote BLUE regardless of who ends up running. We all know Joe’s marvelous record. That’s never been in question. I’m also offering this from Jasmine Crockett for thought;
Jasmine Crockett &
@JasmineForUS
If Dems found half as much energy to attack
MAGA, the real threat, then we'd be good.
For all the geniuses out there who think someone else would be better,
1) explain to me who it is,
2) how they get on the ballot in all 50 states,
3) how they get the money and apparatus together to get this done in 4 months (the over 100 million Biden has on hand doesn't transfer)
4) how we explain that a random person has been selected... subverting the votes that were casts, because of bad polls.
Dems spend all their time seeking perfection, while Republicans focus on their disastrous agenda & could care less so long as they rig the system in their favor!
USE YOUR ENERGY ADDRESSING PROJECT 2025
& the fact that this Supreme Court has laid the foundation to finalize the full destruction of our democracy!
But this is that same ridiculous reasoning that's now giving Trump such a strong chance of winning the White House: "Trump would be worse than Biden, so let's all rally behind Biden and hope for the best." BIDEN IS TOO WEAK TO WIN THIS! How do so many people who SWEAR they're appalled by the possibility of Trump winning again not see this? It's like standing out in the middle of a busy freeway screaming about how you, for one, would never ever allow yourself to get run over by a steam roller.
This is crap. I'm so sick of hearing progressives call for his resignation. Luke warm support of the Democrat got us Trump in 2016 and apparently you haven't learned. Pulling out now would mean the end and we may as well prepare for 4 more years of dictator wannabe Trump. Biden has done wonders for the country for over 3 years and he has one lousy night and you want to throw him out. The problem with progressives is that you want perfection and when you don't get your way you whine and fuss and go third party. I lay the blame for the loss in 2016 and the rise of a right wing SCOTUS that took a way the rights of women at your feet and you are doing it again. Will you EVER learn?
I agree with you about 2016. Bernie Sanders supporters brought us Trump, period. I whole-heartedly voted for Clinton. I also agree with you that Biden has done wonders for the country. He's been an amazing president. I LOVE Joe Biden. I voted for him the first time, and of course I'll vote for him this time if he's bone-headed enough to stay in this race. (I don't know what makes you think I'm advocating for anyone to "go third party." You're taking exception to my having said something that I didn't come close to saying.)
That wasn't one lousy night. That was a Titanic-level disaster. It put wind in Trump's sails like absolutely nothing else could have. NOW Trump has a real chance of gliding straight into the White House. NOW we have the two massive categories of people I noted above. That "one lousy night" GAVE us those two game-changing groups. It's just . . . not deniable. It happened. And the ONLY thing that can change that is if Biden steps aside. If he doesn't do that, then you're right: we're looking straight in the eyes 2016 all over again. It's beyond insane.
Remember how Trump stalked a woman at the debates, how the media normalized it, how they gave him hours of free airtime to gush lies? How he ranted about Obama's birth certificate to millions?
And we know Russia intervened on his behalf - and now we know he was paying off the media to shut down truth about his past.
I don't understand how you don't understand that what you're actually complaining about is more censoring of media. Yeah, I saw how Trump stalked Clinton at that debate. BECAUSE IT WAS ON TV.
Unless we stop demonizing each other and go back to "common interest" over "special interests" politics, America will remain ungovernable whichever political party is in control. Of course, there is always a "lesser evil" and the Democratic Party has not been hi-jacked by its radical left or become a personality cult rather than a functional political Party and the demise of traditional American values will come more quickly under a Trump Administration than it would under a Biden Administration. Nevertheless, win or lose, perhaps Biden's greatest contribution to America is to continue to visibly stand as an example of the virtues that made us more humane, if though not quite perfect. As my mother used to say, "It's not whether you win or lose; but how you play the game that matters."
The media wants the chaos. They're junkies hooked on MAGA supply. No way they will let any Dem have a fair shot. That's the takeaway here.
Kamala turned her brilliance against Kavanagh in Senate hearings, turned him to jelly. Media did not care. They gave him a pass.
Joe is old. It's a serious matter - But the media is utterly compromised - They are way over the line, putting their thumb on the scale - for their own agenda. And no new Dem is going to make that disappear.
They'll find Kamala's emails - or just make them up. They won't let her make her case - and that's the truth.
You seem to be saying that you believe that all or most media outlets in America today have a right-wing bias? But . . . I mean, clearly that's not the case. So I guess I just don't understand your reasoning here. Media creates the stress it then feeds on, yes. But . . . well, again, just not sure on what basis you're claiming that all media is heavily biased toward the right. That's just . . . manifestly not the case. So . . . ?
They are biased in favor of chaos and clicks. That doesn't require them to be propaganda outlets for the right. It means they frame stories that normalize the extreme - even the violent - without scrutiny and they apply wildly different standards to the parties. They claim 'balance' and maybe even think they're offering it, but is that true?
The Republican Party has not renounced violence, it has a convicted criminal at its head and it has not promised to abide by election results. The nominee is promising to break law and Constitution - The media needs to register the stakes of this extremism - not create horse race or give Dems false idea that our problem is having an old man as our nominee. There's an assault on our rights and freedoms more basic than the media is registering.
Putting Kamala in will not solve this. Have they been fair to her to this point? She destroyed Kavanaugh - and he's now on the Court ruling for the corrupt oligarchy that put him there.
Right on your last point. But you KNOW that she destroyed Kavanaugh. And why do you know that? Because you saw it on TV. It's not media's job to tell you what to think--as strenuously as any given media outlet might strive to do just that. You're aware that the Republican Party hasn't renounced violence, that Trump is a nightmare, etc. And, again, why do you know that? Because you learned it through the media. It just doesn't track rationally to complain about how biased media is by citing all the things that you only know BECAUSE of media. Your responsibility is to be a critical thinker when you're absorbing media: what's true, what's not, who's being biased, in what direction, toward what end, etc. That's on you (and me, and all of us). Do you see what I'm saying? When you say, "There's an assault on our rights and freedoms more basic than the media is registering," ask yourself where you got the evidence that's true. Answer: MEDIA. So they ARE telling you about that assault. (And if you think "the media" isn't sounding enough alarms about that, then it's very safe to say that you don't watch or listen to MSNBC. That's all they EVER talk about.)
Are you kidding me? Joe is good and wise? Joe is a war-monger and facilitator of Palestinian genocide. That will be his greatest legacy.
It sure won't be if he loses to Trump.
Though I will vote for Biden, I’m now trying to figure out how to mentally prepare myself for 4 years of Trump.
Exactly. That’s my point. Did you have that concern—or did you have it as acutely as you do now—BEFORE the debate?
Trump went to Capitol Hill the other day and gave a nonsensical address - far worse than anything Joe Biden has ever done - a lunatic in action. Media was there. They saw it. Mild criticism at best.
We all see it. The assumption in media today is that DEMS have to replace an unfit nominee. Republicans are good to go.
Why is that?
Because the DEM candidate is so weak that he's going to LOSE to the Republican candidate. That's why so many dems want a new candidate, and Repubs are good to go. It's got nothing to do with the media. Except that--thank God--the media, via broadcasting the debate--SHOWED Dems that they need a new candidate.
And Trump gets a pass for his performance in that debate? It has a LOT to do with the media.
Kamala Harris could have been on that stage firing heat - just like HRC did in 2016, just like she did to Kavanaugh - and media would have given Trump a pass. Casual voters tune in and media doesn't mention that he's lying to them every time he opens his mouth.
SOME media would have given Trump a pass. Some wouldn't. Some media is pro-Trump. Some aren't. Some try to be objective. Some try to pretend they're objective, but aren't. It's endless. Everybody broadcasting comes with a bias; it's your job to see that bias, and not let it sway you. It's not complicated. People who watch Fox have an entirely different view of the world than do people who watch MSNBC. We all know that. It's just part of life today. If you want to hear that Trump is lying to you every time he opens his mouth, go listen to ANY show on MSNBC, the most watched cable news channel in the country. If you want to think Trump is the second coming, watch FOX, the second most watched channel. But don't watch one and complain it's not the other. K? K. Thanks again.
Is Trump lying what's on MSNBC this week? Leading the NY Times? W Post? Is that being run over and over on CNN?
It's a drumbeat against Biden.
Trump wanting 'military tribunals' against opponents? Not so much.
I wish it was as easy as changing the channel. It isn't.
I’m still of two minds now. Face it, there is still no easy answer except to just bear down and vote BLUE regardless of who ends up running. We all know Joe’s marvelous record. That’s never been in question. I’m also offering this from Jasmine Crockett for thought;
Jasmine Crockett &
@JasmineForUS
If Dems found half as much energy to attack
MAGA, the real threat, then we'd be good.
For all the geniuses out there who think someone else would be better,
1) explain to me who it is,
2) how they get on the ballot in all 50 states,
3) how they get the money and apparatus together to get this done in 4 months (the over 100 million Biden has on hand doesn't transfer)
4) how we explain that a random person has been selected... subverting the votes that were casts, because of bad polls.
Dems spend all their time seeking perfection, while Republicans focus on their disastrous agenda & could care less so long as they rig the system in their favor!
USE YOUR ENERGY ADDRESSING PROJECT 2025
& the fact that this Supreme Court has laid the foundation to finalize the full destruction of our democracy!
Just food for thought here.
But this is that same ridiculous reasoning that's now giving Trump such a strong chance of winning the White House: "Trump would be worse than Biden, so let's all rally behind Biden and hope for the best." BIDEN IS TOO WEAK TO WIN THIS! How do so many people who SWEAR they're appalled by the possibility of Trump winning again not see this? It's like standing out in the middle of a busy freeway screaming about how you, for one, would never ever allow yourself to get run over by a steam roller.
This is crap. I'm so sick of hearing progressives call for his resignation. Luke warm support of the Democrat got us Trump in 2016 and apparently you haven't learned. Pulling out now would mean the end and we may as well prepare for 4 more years of dictator wannabe Trump. Biden has done wonders for the country for over 3 years and he has one lousy night and you want to throw him out. The problem with progressives is that you want perfection and when you don't get your way you whine and fuss and go third party. I lay the blame for the loss in 2016 and the rise of a right wing SCOTUS that took a way the rights of women at your feet and you are doing it again. Will you EVER learn?
I agree with you about 2016. Bernie Sanders supporters brought us Trump, period. I whole-heartedly voted for Clinton. I also agree with you that Biden has done wonders for the country. He's been an amazing president. I LOVE Joe Biden. I voted for him the first time, and of course I'll vote for him this time if he's bone-headed enough to stay in this race. (I don't know what makes you think I'm advocating for anyone to "go third party." You're taking exception to my having said something that I didn't come close to saying.)
That wasn't one lousy night. That was a Titanic-level disaster. It put wind in Trump's sails like absolutely nothing else could have. NOW Trump has a real chance of gliding straight into the White House. NOW we have the two massive categories of people I noted above. That "one lousy night" GAVE us those two game-changing groups. It's just . . . not deniable. It happened. And the ONLY thing that can change that is if Biden steps aside. If he doesn't do that, then you're right: we're looking straight in the eyes 2016 all over again. It's beyond insane.
What about the role of the media in 2016?
Remember how Trump stalked a woman at the debates, how the media normalized it, how they gave him hours of free airtime to gush lies? How he ranted about Obama's birth certificate to millions?
And we know Russia intervened on his behalf - and now we know he was paying off the media to shut down truth about his past.
"But her emails"...
I don't understand how you don't understand that what you're actually complaining about is more censoring of media. Yeah, I saw how Trump stalked Clinton at that debate. BECAUSE IT WAS ON TV.